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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.justinball.com/2008/03/06/social-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-4240</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 06:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Justin. I&#039;ve just finished the plugin that implements (some of) these ideas.  You can download it and try it at http://minerva.sapiensworks.com . Hope you have the time to tell me what you think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Justin. I&#8217;ve just finished the plugin that implements (some of) these ideas.  You can download it and try it at <a href="http://minerva.sapiensworks.com" rel="nofollow">http://minerva.sapiensworks.com</a> . Hope you have the time to tell me what you think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.justinball.com/2008/03/06/social-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-4179</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 13:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow I can&#039;t believe it. I was thinking about the same thing (almost 80% identical) only not restricted to wordpress. In fact I&#039;ve started to code such plugin (ok with only a handful of features) and I hope I can show a live demo soon. 
I&#039;ll let you know when that happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow I can&#8217;t believe it. I was thinking about the same thing (almost 80% identical) only not restricted to wordpress. In fact I&#8217;ve started to code such plugin (ok with only a handful of features) and I hope I can show a live demo soon.<br />
I&#8217;ll let you know when that happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Corrine</title>
		<link>http://www.justinball.com/2008/03/06/social-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-4137</link>
		<dc:creator>Corrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do it! I totally agree with you. Things need to be controlled individually and not through an outsourced identity system. :) Afterall, you keep your important things in your house and not locked up in storage in a warehouse across town. That&#039;s my little analogy anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do it! I totally agree with you. Things need to be controlled individually and not through an outsourced identity system. <img src='http://www.justinball.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Afterall, you keep your important things in your house and not locked up in storage in a warehouse across town. That&#8217;s my little analogy anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: undesigned &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Moved to slicehost</title>
		<link>http://www.justinball.com/2008/03/06/social-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-4131</link>
		<dc:creator>undesigned &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Moved to slicehost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hearing Justin rave about WPMU, I thought I would give it a shot. WP normally installs easy, so I expected the same. It would have [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Blockbuster Online &#38; Facebook: No Longer My Friends &#124; TechConsumer</title>
		<link>http://www.justinball.com/2008/03/06/social-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-3971</link>
		<dc:creator>Blockbuster Online &#38; Facebook: No Longer My Friends &#124; TechConsumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 04:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] soon as I see an alpha version of Justin Ball&#8217;s app that brings social networking to blogging, I&#8217;m bailing.     Subscribe to TechConsumer:  RSS / [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; WPMu as an Educational Network WPMu Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.justinball.com/2008/03/06/social-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-3792</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; WPMu as an Educational Network WPMu Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this focus is what has me very excited about recent posts from Andre Malan, Justin Ball, and David Wiley. All of whom are starting to imagine WPMu as both a dynamic learning space, as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scott Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.justinball.com/2008/03/06/social-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-3781</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 22:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just so long as I can still &quot;poke&quot; people, Justin. If you can&#039;t &quot;poke&quot; people, no one will ever use it.

Just kidding of course. I do worry about &quot;too many moving parts&quot; here. Given that the data portability and privacy implications of Facebook aren&#039;t exactly unpublicized, it seems hard to me to argue that people (at least currently) seem willing to forsake these in favour of the &quot;all in one&quot; silo. Maybe given the option not too (in a new system that offered as much and was similarly easy to use but not a silo) they might not. But I do sometimes worry that we are making assumptions about the users, I&#039;m not saying these worries are big enough to not do this (it&#039;s a great idea!) but it&#039;s gotta be simple. That said, if the modern-day CMS is the yardstick by which it&#039;ll be measured, then bob&#039;s your uncle!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so long as I can still &#8220;poke&#8221; people, Justin. If you can&#8217;t &#8220;poke&#8221; people, no one will ever use it.</p>
<p>Just kidding of course. I do worry about &#8220;too many moving parts&#8221; here. Given that the data portability and privacy implications of Facebook aren&#8217;t exactly unpublicized, it seems hard to me to argue that people (at least currently) seem willing to forsake these in favour of the &#8220;all in one&#8221; silo. Maybe given the option not too (in a new system that offered as much and was similarly easy to use but not a silo) they might not. But I do sometimes worry that we are making assumptions about the users, I&#8217;m not saying these worries are big enough to not do this (it&#8217;s a great idea!) but it&#8217;s gotta be simple. That said, if the modern-day CMS is the yardstick by which it&#8217;ll be measured, then bob&#8217;s your uncle!</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Jensen</title>
		<link>http://www.justinball.com/2008/03/06/social-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-3778</link>
		<dc:creator>Marion Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking about this every since Justin posted.  I think it is a very interesting idea.  And I think Andre raises a point a good point about 99 percent of the users don&#039;t care about their information being in a silo.. 

But we&#039;ve all seen the number of facebook users grow to an incredible point in spite of the fact that there was already the juggernaut MySpace available.  People came to facebook because they saw something interesting.  It met some need.  Maybe that need was simply the ability to throw a sheep at somebody, but I think it was more.

So really the question becomes does an idea like the one Justin proposes present something new?  Something users will say, &quot;hey, I&#039;d like to do that&quot;.  If it does, then people will join.  

Personally, I think it does.  And once people see the value, they&#039;ll want to hop in.  Not necessarily because they don&#039;t want their information siloed (though there will be many who join for that exact reason), but for any number of other reasons.  Things they can do, and have control over, that are not currently available in any of the social networks.

Great conversation, thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about this every since Justin posted.  I think it is a very interesting idea.  And I think Andre raises a point a good point about 99 percent of the users don&#8217;t care about their information being in a silo.. </p>
<p>But we&#8217;ve all seen the number of facebook users grow to an incredible point in spite of the fact that there was already the juggernaut MySpace available.  People came to facebook because they saw something interesting.  It met some need.  Maybe that need was simply the ability to throw a sheep at somebody, but I think it was more.</p>
<p>So really the question becomes does an idea like the one Justin proposes present something new?  Something users will say, &#8220;hey, I&#8217;d like to do that&#8221;.  If it does, then people will join.  </p>
<p>Personally, I think it does.  And once people see the value, they&#8217;ll want to hop in.  Not necessarily because they don&#8217;t want their information siloed (though there will be many who join for that exact reason), but for any number of other reasons.  Things they can do, and have control over, that are not currently available in any of the social networks.</p>
<p>Great conversation, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Ball</title>
		<link>http://www.justinball.com/2008/03/06/social-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-3777</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andre I don&#039;t see your comments as negative either.  All of your points are valid and need to be carefully thought out.

I am looking forward to reading about your ideas.  I think we have a conference call this next week.  In this space what you guys are doing at UBC is pretty cool and we have a lot in common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andre I don&#8217;t see your comments as negative either.  All of your points are valid and need to be carefully thought out.</p>
<p>I am looking forward to reading about your ideas.  I think we have a conference call this next week.  In this space what you guys are doing at UBC is pretty cool and we have a lot in common.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Ball</title>
		<link>http://www.justinball.com/2008/03/06/social-wordpress/comment-page-1/#comment-3776</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a lot of coding and a bit ambitious, but a lot of coding is what I do.  Also, I think we will break the work into pieces.  Do something meaningful then release it.  Try to get some adoption for that part and then add to it.  That&#039;s how we have managed the development cycle at COSL so far and it seems to work pretty well. Working in Ruby on Rails we can put up prototypes of our ideas in just a few days (sometimes just a few hours).  My PHP fu is a bit lacking right now, but we have the drive to make this happen.

Andre, I agree that Facebooks greatest value is that everyone is at the party.  However, in spite of my ripping on Facebook I don&#039;t think that these efforts will result in one giant party that will compete with Facebook and Myspace.

What we want to enable is the formation of a social graph between bloggers and a platform for niche communities.  In that space I think people will adopt the technology because they derive personal benefit from it.  Those wanting to create communities will do it because the technology is free and they can do what they want with it.  If they want to form a community around underwater basket weaving they will be able to do that.  If they want to run ads to make money they can do that.  If they build the community so their friends can get together it is simple to do so.  I think people will create communities because it benefits them which is key to the success of any system.

I think users will install the plugin because it will let them slip in and out of communities with ease.  The fact that I don&#039;t have to recreate my entire profile is a key selling point.  I don&#039;t envision grabbing every Facebook user.  Instead I envision getting the attention of existing bloggers who want to enrich their blogging experience.

One other key point.  This system will go into production for Teachers Without Borders.  That is an established community with thousands of members.  Even if that is the only community that ever uses this system we will be justified in building.  However, I am hoping that others see the value in this and a great desire wells up within them to participate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a lot of coding and a bit ambitious, but a lot of coding is what I do.  Also, I think we will break the work into pieces.  Do something meaningful then release it.  Try to get some adoption for that part and then add to it.  That&#8217;s how we have managed the development cycle at COSL so far and it seems to work pretty well. Working in Ruby on Rails we can put up prototypes of our ideas in just a few days (sometimes just a few hours).  My PHP fu is a bit lacking right now, but we have the drive to make this happen.</p>
<p>Andre, I agree that Facebooks greatest value is that everyone is at the party.  However, in spite of my ripping on Facebook I don&#8217;t think that these efforts will result in one giant party that will compete with Facebook and Myspace.</p>
<p>What we want to enable is the formation of a social graph between bloggers and a platform for niche communities.  In that space I think people will adopt the technology because they derive personal benefit from it.  Those wanting to create communities will do it because the technology is free and they can do what they want with it.  If they want to form a community around underwater basket weaving they will be able to do that.  If they want to run ads to make money they can do that.  If they build the community so their friends can get together it is simple to do so.  I think people will create communities because it benefits them which is key to the success of any system.</p>
<p>I think users will install the plugin because it will let them slip in and out of communities with ease.  The fact that I don&#8217;t have to recreate my entire profile is a key selling point.  I don&#8217;t envision grabbing every Facebook user.  Instead I envision getting the attention of existing bloggers who want to enrich their blogging experience.</p>
<p>One other key point.  This system will go into production for Teachers Without Borders.  That is an established community with thousands of members.  Even if that is the only community that ever uses this system we will be justified in building.  However, I am hoping that others see the value in this and a great desire wells up within them to participate.</p>
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